Comments on: the scouring of the shire http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/ for the unconditional military defence of numerous things Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:28:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: jebni http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/comment-page-1/#comment-1093 jebni Tue, 13 Dec 2005 10:13:38 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/#comment-1093 <p>There's a little "Trackback" link on the permalinked page for this post. Does it not work? Anyway, I've responded on your blog.</p> There’s a little “Trackback” link on the permalinked page for this post. Does it not work? Anyway, I’ve responded on your blog.

]]> By: s0metim3s http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/comment-page-1/#comment-1092 s0metim3s Tue, 13 Dec 2005 07:43:08 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/#comment-1092 <p>Darn, I thought Jebni was a Zimbabwean hero. Silly me.</p> <p>Anyway, I have no idea how to backtrack a <a href="http://archive.blogsome.com/2005/12/13/cronulla-racism-beaches/" rel="nofollow">post</a>.</p> Darn, I thought Jebni was a Zimbabwean hero. Silly me.

Anyway, I have no idea how to backtrack a post.

]]> By: pallatso http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/comment-page-1/#comment-1091 pallatso Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:22:09 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/#comment-1091 <p>Thank the gods for jebni: an Australian hero. As for indcoup: go back to the beach and bury your head in the sand, you sad Nazi fuck.</p> Thank the gods for jebni: an Australian hero. As for indcoup: go back to the beach and bury your head in the sand, you sad Nazi fuck.

]]> By: s0metim3s http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/comment-page-1/#comment-1090 s0metim3s Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:33:05 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/#comment-1090 <p>I like the beach more than I dislike it. This may be a wog thing. and I wonder why people with white skin in this country invite melanomas so tenaciously - which is a whole other discussion.</p> <p>But, I don't think this stuff is reducible to beaches, even if the beach functions in a particularly iconic way in AU. And while it's nice for people to try and map it onto the theme of feeling comfortable on the beach in the body that you have, this seems to me to trivialise what's going, if not a kind of 'me-too-ism'. There were a lot of, say, fat white blokes in the crowd at Cronulla, and I'm pretty sure they felt like they belonged there.</p> I like the beach more than I dislike it. This may be a wog thing. and I wonder why people with white skin in this country invite melanomas so tenaciously – which is a whole other discussion.

But, I don’t think this stuff is reducible to beaches, even if the beach functions in a particularly iconic way in AU. And while it’s nice for people to try and map it onto the theme of feeling comfortable on the beach in the body that you have, this seems to me to trivialise what’s going, if not a kind of ‘me-too-ism’. There were a lot of, say, fat white blokes in the crowd at Cronulla, and I’m pretty sure they felt like they belonged there.

]]> By: C http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/comment-page-1/#comment-1089 C Mon, 12 Dec 2005 00:42:50 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/#comment-1089 <p>many people have trouble belonging on beaches. the localism of surfing is one example of this. people are threatened if they are gay, not from around here, too fat, for being a girl, etc. Anyone who doesn't work towards belonging to a white hetero masculine ideal. I am one of those blokes. change can only come from within, any outright confrontation plays right into their (our) hands. (i do not agree with these blokes, but it is possible for me to belong, hence the term 'our hands')</p> <p>the street next to mine was trashed last night. blood, glass everywhere. people are screaming for more blood and payback. its been simmering for years.lots of skirmishes in the past. the blokes i surf with defend their 'belonging' at the beach with violence.</p> <p>to contest this space with violence or confrontation suits these blokes 'just fine'. this is the problem. eg. the maroubra boys want this, this is what they know, and how they operate. as they were screaming yesterday, 'bring it fucking on!'</p> <p>no winners here. just innocent people getting hurt.</p> <p>i fear maroubra and cronulla beaches are now going to become whiter than ever.</p> <p>its a very sad day.</p> many people have trouble belonging on beaches. the localism of surfing is one example of this. people are threatened if they are gay, not from around here, too fat, for being a girl, etc. Anyone who doesn’t work towards belonging to a white hetero masculine ideal. I am one of those blokes. change can only come from within, any outright confrontation plays right into their (our) hands. (i do not agree with these blokes, but it is possible for me to belong, hence the term ‘our hands’)

the street next to mine was trashed last night. blood, glass everywhere. people are screaming for more blood and payback. its been simmering for years.lots of skirmishes in the past. the blokes i surf with defend their ‘belonging’ at the beach with violence.

to contest this space with violence or confrontation suits these blokes ‘just fine’. this is the problem. eg. the maroubra boys want this, this is what they know, and how they operate. as they were screaming yesterday, ‘bring it fucking on!’

no winners here. just innocent people getting hurt.

i fear maroubra and cronulla beaches are now going to become whiter than ever.

its a very sad day.

]]> By: Glen http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/comment-page-1/#comment-1088 Glen Sun, 11 Dec 2005 15:25:27 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/the-scouring-of-the-shire/#comment-1088 <p>this is some pretty fucked up shit. i am sick of the retarded conservatives saying they need more police... wtf are more police going to do when there are allegedly 5000 people? lol!</p> <p>i was just reading Morris's "on the beach" where she says that most people don't go to the beach and it isn't a very good representation of 'australian' or something like that.</p> <p>beyond the racist/alterity stuff, which I don't feel like I can say much about, i want to see the media absolutely hammered for the part they played in this on two levels.</p> <p>on the level of the street/beach/body, right there, on the day. the second photo above is telling. how many audio mikes or tv cameras do you need in someone's face for them to <em>really</em> scream that they hate wogs/lebs/whatever?</p> <p>And secondly, it is a classic case of what the old moral panic theory concept of 'deviancy amplification'. here it is still 'of the body' but the affects of racist hatred (or 'nationalism') are distributed through 'social body' by the transmission of various other (non)events, such as the previous fights up to the narrative framing or representation of westie-Other as constant threat.</p> <p>That is the panic inducer; not that there are actual fights/violence (yeah, so what, happens everywhere), but that it is felt as a <em>constant threat</em>. The constancy of the threat weighs heavy on the present temporality as a disruptive potentiality. This potentiality is isolated as being herald by a particular wog/leb/whatever demographic of sydney/australia/where ever. It is not so much that youth do actually act like fuck sticks and start fights, but that wogs/lebs/whatever <em>might</em> come 'down here' and start something. Is this just another expression of the 'terror' refrain? or is that reading too much into it????</p> <p>in the end it is fuckin shameful.</p> <p>ps fat bastards don't go to the beach either ;) 'beach body' is not just racialised!</p> this is some pretty fucked up shit. i am sick of the retarded conservatives saying they need more police… wtf are more police going to do when there are allegedly 5000 people? lol!

i was just reading Morris’s “on the beach” where she says that most people don’t go to the beach and it isn’t a very good representation of ‘australian’ or something like that.

beyond the racist/alterity stuff, which I don’t feel like I can say much about, i want to see the media absolutely hammered for the part they played in this on two levels.

on the level of the street/beach/body, right there, on the day. the second photo above is telling. how many audio mikes or tv cameras do you need in someone’s face for them to really scream that they hate wogs/lebs/whatever?

And secondly, it is a classic case of what the old moral panic theory concept of ‘deviancy amplification’. here it is still ‘of the body’ but the affects of racist hatred (or ‘nationalism’) are distributed through ‘social body’ by the transmission of various other (non)events, such as the previous fights up to the narrative framing or representation of westie-Other as constant threat.

That is the panic inducer; not that there are actual fights/violence (yeah, so what, happens everywhere), but that it is felt as a constant threat. The constancy of the threat weighs heavy on the present temporality as a disruptive potentiality. This potentiality is isolated as being herald by a particular wog/leb/whatever demographic of sydney/australia/where ever. It is not so much that youth do actually act like fuck sticks and start fights, but that wogs/lebs/whatever might come ‘down here’ and start something. Is this just another expression of the ‘terror’ refrain? or is that reading too much into it????

in the end it is fuckin shameful.

ps fat bastards don’t go to the beach either ;) ‘beach body’ is not just racialised!

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