http://antipopper.com/blog/the-question-of-value/ for the unconditional military defence of numerous things Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:28:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 http://antipopper.com/blog/the-question-of-value/comment-page-1/#comment-907 jebni Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:37:07 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/the-question-of-value/#comment-907 <p>Indeed. I think the most useful way to think about this kind of "generalised logic" is to think about "continuua", which avoids the flattening that usually comes with "generalisations".</p> Indeed. I think the most useful way to think about this kind of “generalised logic” is to think about “continuua”, which avoids the flattening that usually comes with “generalisations”.

]]> http://antipopper.com/blog/the-question-of-value/comment-page-1/#comment-906 2fs Mon, 04 Oct 2004 15:53:22 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/the-question-of-value/#comment-906 <p>Re your comments on health-care workers in torture, and torturers' valueing life: It's also an interesting bias in western capitalist thought that where torturers are demonized in part because their torture is so direct, so immediate (just as the decapitations are so terrifying because of their immediate brutality), the everyday tortures inflicted upon (for instance) the poor through distant but everpresent economic structures, and the slow death of missing health care - or even the instant death from a missile (immediate in time, but again, distant in space from its cause) are somehow invisible as being torture, in a very real sense, to the west. If the goal of torture per se is making its subject speak from a particular, desired position (giving information, being intimidated from speaking "incorrectly"), surely those slower, distant forms of torture have the same effect - or can do so.</p> Re your comments on health-care workers in torture, and torturers’ valueing life: It’s also an interesting bias in western capitalist thought that where torturers are demonized in part because their torture is so direct, so immediate (just as the decapitations are so terrifying because of their immediate brutality), the everyday tortures inflicted upon (for instance) the poor through distant but everpresent economic structures, and the slow death of missing health care – or even the instant death from a missile (immediate in time, but again, distant in space from its cause) are somehow invisible as being torture, in a very real sense, to the west. If the goal of torture per se is making its subject speak from a particular, desired position (giving information, being intimidated from speaking “incorrectly”), surely those slower, distant forms of torture have the same effect – or can do so.

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