Comments on: non-location http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/ for the unconditional military defence of numerous things Sat, 07 Nov 2009 08:28:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: jebni http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/comment-page-1/#comment-1058 jebni Sat, 24 Sep 2005 04:10:08 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/#comment-1058 <p>Found that Clifford essay -- thanks.</p> Found that Clifford essay — thanks.

]]> By: jebni http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/comment-page-1/#comment-1057 jebni Sat, 24 Sep 2005 03:32:16 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/#comment-1057 <p>Sure, I see the dangers you allude to. Although the way those kinds of songs work for me is less as being "in the name of the refugee", or even as a situated piece of culture, and more in terms of an abstract philosophical question -- do you describe/name utopias or not? That's kinda the way I hear songs in general -- in an anti-cultural studies, post-literary way :) ... There's probably a whole bunch of slippages happening there, but y'know, perhaps they <em>need</em> to happen. I remember getting rapped on the knuckles ages ago for offering an image from Rushdie's <em>Midnight's Children</em> as a corrective to bell hooks' insistence on a regime of positive black representation, and while I see the point that there's a whole bunch of problematic shit that happens when you uphold variations on the bourgeois novel as preferable to the uh, right-on-ness of bell hooks, I'm still unrepentant about those kinds of philosophical appropriations of culture.)</p> <p>Anyway, it's precisely the desire <em>not</em> to denote a future in any particular way that I find interesting, and therefore <em>not</em> utopian (or Jamesonian) in the usual sense. Dunno if that makes any sense.</p> Sure, I see the dangers you allude to. Although the way those kinds of songs work for me is less as being “in the name of the refugee”, or even as a situated piece of culture, and more in terms of an abstract philosophical question — do you describe/name utopias or not? That’s kinda the way I hear songs in general — in an anti-cultural studies, post-literary way :) … There’s probably a whole bunch of slippages happening there, but y’know, perhaps they need to happen. I remember getting rapped on the knuckles ages ago for offering an image from Rushdie’s Midnight’s Children as a corrective to bell hooks’ insistence on a regime of positive black representation, and while I see the point that there’s a whole bunch of problematic shit that happens when you uphold variations on the bourgeois novel as preferable to the uh, right-on-ness of bell hooks, I’m still unrepentant about those kinds of philosophical appropriations of culture.)

Anyway, it’s precisely the desire not to denote a future in any particular way that I find interesting, and therefore not utopian (or Jamesonian) in the usual sense. Dunno if that makes any sense.

]]> By: danny http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/comment-page-1/#comment-1056 danny Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:08:01 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/#comment-1056 <p>I also find James Clifford's work might be helpful in thinking through "location" and movement in a different way that seems a bit more situated than Jameson's work. "Indigenous Articulations" from the Contemporary Pacific journal a couple of years back. If you want it drop me an email.</p> I also find James Clifford’s work might be helpful in thinking through “location” and movement in a different way that seems a bit more situated than Jameson’s work. “Indigenous Articulations” from the Contemporary Pacific journal a couple of years back. If you want it drop me an email.

]]> By: danny http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/comment-page-1/#comment-1055 danny Fri, 23 Sep 2005 23:05:35 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/#comment-1055 <p>Yeah, the freedom of movement in refugee subjectivities is interesting (and in diaspora literature generally). I guess my interest is raising the question of the indigenous, and maybe to suggest that to invoke white utopianism (whether Jameson, F. Black, the Eurythmics, or U2) in the name of the refugee perhaps brings a whole set of other problems that have, er, unintended consequences when seen in light of the colonial relation. not sure if that is useful...</p> Yeah, the freedom of movement in refugee subjectivities is interesting (and in diaspora literature generally). I guess my interest is raising the question of the indigenous, and maybe to suggest that to invoke white utopianism (whether Jameson, F. Black, the Eurythmics, or U2) in the name of the refugee perhaps brings a whole set of other problems that have, er, unintended consequences when seen in light of the colonial relation. not sure if that is useful…

]]> By: jebni http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/comment-page-1/#comment-1054 jebni Fri, 23 Sep 2005 14:13:22 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/#comment-1054 <p>Oh, and my post is situated in a wider context of thinking about notions of space within refugee subjectivities, and also the experience of living under occupation -- the expression of a colonial logic was in some ways the furthest thing from my mind, so it's interesting you brought it up...</p> Oh, and my post is situated in a wider context of thinking about notions of space within refugee subjectivities, and also the experience of living under occupation — the expression of a colonial logic was in some ways the furthest thing from my mind, so it’s interesting you brought it up…

]]> By: jebni http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/comment-page-1/#comment-1053 jebni Fri, 23 Sep 2005 13:15:02 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/#comment-1053 <p>I guess my point is that I think there's something that's fundamentally more dis-orientating that belies the vocabulary of "new", "better" and "higher" -- the abstract, the never, the nameless.</p> I guess my point is that I think there’s something that’s fundamentally more dis-orientating that belies the vocabulary of “new”, “better” and “higher” — the abstract, the never, the nameless.

]]> By: danny http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/comment-page-1/#comment-1052 danny Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:20:17 +0000 http://antipopper.com/blog/non-location/#comment-1052 <p>Very timely. But isn't the language of the above not about "the void" or the "non", but 1) the "new", the 2) the "better", and 3) the "higher"? In that case, isn't it really just settler ideology, where the old and the earthed (or indeed, the primal "under") can't be recognised?</p> Very timely. But isn’t the language of the above not about “the void” or the “non”, but 1) the “new”, the 2) the “better”, and 3) the “higher”? In that case, isn’t it really just settler ideology, where the old and the earthed (or indeed, the primal “under”) can’t be recognised?

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